To “Train Of Thought” είναι ΤΕΡΑΣΤΙΟΣ δίσκος. Δε λέω αν είναι το καλύτερό τους ή όχι, αλλά εμένα είναι μάλλον το αγαπημένο μου, παρότι ξεκίνησα να τους ακούω λίγο πριν βγει το “Scenes From A Memory” (βασικά όταν βγήκε το “Once in a LiveTime”).
Ισχυει και γω μ αυτο τους εμαθα και αρχισα να τους ακουω
Το Images & Words και το Metropolis pt2 νομίζω ότι είναι τα πιο εμπορικά.
Από εκεί και έπειτα ο καθένας μας έχει τις προσωπικές του προτιμήσεις. Για μενα το Awake δεν ακούγεται καν… για άλλους είναι το κορυφαίο.
Τα Systematic Chaos και το Octavarium τα θεωρώ πολύ σπουδαία έργα.
Wow. Χωρις να θελω να προσβαλω εσενα ή την αποψη σου αλλα θεωρω το Systematic Chaos μαυρο χαλι και το Awake καταπληκτικο.
Οποτε αυτο ειναι καταφωρη αποδειξη οτι περι ορεξεως…
Αν και η αληθεια ειναι οτι η εμπορικη ανοδος τους την τελευταια δεκατια ειναι μανατζεριστικη και οχι καλλιτεχνικα υποκεινουμενη. Μ’αυτο εννοω οτι δεν αρχισαν ξαφνικα οι Αγγλοι να τους προσκυνανε με το Systematic Chaos γιατι συνταραξε καλλιτεχνικα τους συντακτες. Συντακτες και περιοδικα που τους αγνοουσαν επιδεικτηκα επι 15 χρονια. Ε δεν μπορει να μην τους ειχε ξαναπαρει το αυτι τους. Ουτε το I&W, ουτε το Αγουεϊκ, ουτε καν ενα Μετροπολις μερος 2???
Στις αρχες των '00 οι Θιατερ παιζανε μπροστα σε χιλιαδες στην Ελλαδα και στην Αγγλια παιζανε σε τρυπες 1500.
[U]ως προς την ποιότητα των δίσκων[/U]
δεν γίνεται να σου αρέσουν γενικά οι DT και να θεωρείς το Awake σκουπίδι. Μπορεί να σου αρέσουν μεμονωμένα τραγούδια (έχουν εύρος) ή να μην έχεις ακουσει σοβαρά το άλμπουμ αλλά ακόμα και στη θεωρία “όλα γούστα” δεν το καταλαβαίνω.
κανένας δίσκος των DT δεν είναι χάλι μαύρο. αν μπούμε στη διαδικασία του benchmarking με τα καλά άλμπουμ, τότε πρέπει να βγάλουμε σαβούρα την πλειοψηφία των δίσκων που κυκλοφορούν γενικώς.
[U]Όσον αφορά στη δημοτικότητα[/U]
Μην ξεχνάμε ότι υπάρχει το case της Ιαπωνίας που ήταν πάντα πολύ μεγάλοι και το peak το έφτασαν (αποτυπωμένα) στο Budokan. Από την άλλοι, πόσοι ξέρουν την κόντρα του Portnoy με τον Γερμανικό τύπο που τους κράτησε εκτός Γερμανικής αγοράς στην ουσία εδώ και πολλά χρόνια όμως;
Η αγγλία είναι PRESS ORIENTED. Όταν υπέγραψαν στη RR αυτομάτως πήραν ένα τεράστιο exposure στο νησί. Πριν από αυτό δεν υπήρχαν. Καλώς ή κακώς ΑΠΟ ΕΚΕΙ κρίνεται σε μεγάλο βαθμό το εμπορικό status μιας μπάντας για όλη την ευρώπη.
Το εμπορικό στάτους το κηνύγησε ο Portnoy και μόνο αυτός (και για πολλούς κατηγορήθηκε ότι "έριξε το ποιοτικό στάτους). Και έκανε τους DT όνομα που το βάζουν δίπλα στους King Crimson, στους Yes, στους Porcupine Tree πλεον. Έχουν σεβασμό και αυτό κερδίθηκε από την μπάντα και είναι τρομακτικά δύσκολο.
Εδώ, αυτό το έχουμε ενοχοποιήσει.
Δεν το έχουμε ενοχοποιήσει συνάρρωστε με Cornell και Soundgarden, απλά δε μας ενδιαφέρει τόσο όσο η ποιότητα των δίσκων που ακούμε και των συναυλιών που βλέπουμε. Εμένα δε με νοιάζει πόσο μεγάλοι θεωρούνται οι Dream Theater, με νοιάζει να ακούω τους δίσκους τους και να γουστάρω (πράγμα που δε συμβαίνει τόσο πολύ με τους τελευταίους, αλλά αυτό είναι αναμενόμενο και δεν με πειράζει, κανείς δεν είναι αστείρευτος) και να πηγαίνω στις συναυλίες τους και να γουστάρω (τους έχω δει όλες τις φορές εκτός από την πρώτη που σπούδαζα εκτός Αθηνών). Δημοτικότητα=λεφτά, αυτό είναι δικό τους θέμα, όχι δικό μου, από μένα τα ίδια λεφτά θα πάρουν είτε είναι δημοφιλείς είτε όχι. Και τους δίσκους θα αγοράσω, και στις συναυλίες θα πάω.
Παντως, για μενα, ποιοτικα, δεν εχουν στανταρ αυτο που ειχαν πριν (λιγα η αληθεια ειναι) χρονια. Ο τελευταιος δισκος ειναι ο μονος που δεν εχω αγορασει απο theater, και πραγματικα δεν προκειται να τον παρω… Τωρα, εμπορικα, προσωπικα δε με ενδιαφερει καθολου τι κανουν - αν και καποιες κινησεις τους τις θεωρω απαραδεκτες, αλλα αυτο ειναι γνωμη μου. Οπως ειπε κι ο πανω εγω θελω να ακουω ακλη μουσικη, και ειδικα στα τελευταια 2 αλμπουμ (+ 2-3 κομματια απο το octavarium) δεν ακουω κατι τετοιο.
Update από τον Petrucci
First I’d like to say that my love and support goes out to all of our friends in Japan as they work through the tragic events of the past week. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your families. I know that the strength of the Japanese people will prevail.
As for the new Dream Theater album, it is going incredibly well and I can’t wait for everyone to hear it! We are in the tracking process and working hard as well as just having so much fun.
I appreciate everyone’s patience regarding the announcement (or lack thereof!) of DT’s new drummer. I know it has been very frustrating to have to wait for the news. Believe me, we are busting at the seems to tell everyone and rest assured that our decision will not disappoint on any level!
As for info and details on the new album, anything such as the title, song names, running times, artwork, direction etc, will be posted on the official DT and Roadrunner sites once the album is complete and we begin to prepare for it’s release.
Looks like the start of our next world tour is lining up nicely as well. It’s always great to be over in Europe during the summer playing out doors and seeing all of our friends again.
In the meantime, I’m just shedding, lifting and buried deep in the making of the new album. My beautiful Music Man’s and Boogies are raging and there are many notes flying around the studio!
I hope everyone is well. Thank you so much as always for being such amazingly supportive friends and fans!
God Bless,
JP
Πολλά αγαπημένα…απλά το Train Of Thought, περρισότερο:):!:
Νομιζω πως το Images & Words ειναι αξεπεραστο και ακολουθουν τα Awake και το Metropolis 
Κάποιος πόσταρε τα συγκεκριμένα στο Facebook των Dream Theater - είναι παρόμοια με τα αντίστοιχα για τον Chuck Norris, και κάποια είναι πολύ πετυχημένα!
[SPOILER]-The chief exports of John Petrucci are 64th notes.
-John Petrucci once played a solo so fast that his fingers broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Jimi Hendrix while he was trying to sleep.
-If you ask John Petrucci what time it is, he always, always says, “15/8.”
-John Petrucci has a box of souls he’s amassed over the years after being challenged to “shredding contests”. His box includes the souls of Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Jimi Hendrix, Randy Rhoads, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, and the Devil.
-Music stores have banned John Petrucci because whenever he enters, all of the guitar necks bow down to him.
-John Petrucci doesn’t practice, since it implies the chance of fucking up a note. He shreds.
-John Petrucci has two modes: walk and shred.
-If stranded in the forest, John Petrucci can light a fire by playing a tremolo-picked solo of 64th notes until his pick catches fire.
-There is no guitar companies…just axes Petrucci has decided to not play
-John Petrucci once broke all the strings on my guitar… I was just listening to his CD…
-John Petrucci was originally hired as the devil’s guitarist in “Crossroads.” Steve Vai and the Karate Kid stepped in as emergency replacements after Petrucci’s solo in the duel vaporized the original lead and melted three cameras on the set.
-Jordan Rudess isn’t bald because he shaved his head. He’s bald because he mistakenly stepped onto Petrucci’s side of the stage during soundcheck, while JP was firing of a face-melting salvo of 64th notes. Luckily, due to Rudess’ keyboard shredding cred, he merely lost his hair in the process. Anyone less would have the skin tone of Skeletor.
-John Petrucci can play five notes at the same time…on the same string.
-If at first you can’t play quintuplets @ 200 bpm, you’re not John Petrucci.
-John Petrucci once played his Mesa at 10… and survived.
-John Petrucci is not metal… metal is John Petrucci.
-John Petrucci’s guitars set themselves on fire.
-John Petrucci goes to 12.
-When he wanted a seven string guitar, he just started to shred so fast that his music man morphed into a seven string guitar.
-John Petrucci eats D’Addarios for breakfast.
-Scientists have proven that John Petrucci only has one finger, which moves so fast, it is never percieved as fewer than four fingers by the human senses. If he had more than one finger, scientists believe the universe would exceed critical energy density and collapse on itself, which would destroy everything (except, of course, John Petrucci, who can be neither created nor destroyed, only moved from one style of shredding to another).
-John Petrucci has filed lawsuits with Gillette, claiming that their razor product named “Mach 3” is actually the name of Petrucci’s first three fingers on his left hand.
-They were going to release a John Petrucci edition of Clue, but the answer always turns out to be “John Petrucci. In The Library. With the Speedy Lick.”
-John Petrucci is a major cause of house fires. Home stereo speakers burst into flames from the effort of reproducing his playing, quickly turning into a raging inferno that consumes everything in the house. Except John Petrucci’s albums.
-John Petrucci is the only person Area 51 can trust to shred top secret documents. If fact, he shreds them so fast that he breaks the documents down to a molecular level.
-John Petrucci once told the cavemen that he gets his tone by using lizard skins as grille cover cloths. That was the end of the dinosaurs.
-John Petrucci’s right hand is so fast it is actually twelve years younger than the rest of his body.
-John Petrucci has had the tendons in both wrists replaced with kevlar.
-John Petrucci once transcribed and played an entire phonebook on guitar - in under twelve seconds.
-Amphetamines are made from DNA scraped from John Petrucci’s right hand.
-John Petrucci invented tig welding - when he used stainless strings and a metal pick.
-John Petrucci invented gravity - when space-time tried to keep up with his right hand.
-John Petrucci uses a bee and a megaphone for a metronome.
-John Petrucci can clean his entire house with the vacuum created by his sweep arpeggios.
-John Petrucci can play in ∞/∞.
-If Yngwie was half as fast as John Petrucci, the energy consumed by his right hand would burn off all the excess fat on his body.
-In the future, the speed of warp drives used for faster than light space travel will be measured in Petruccis. The speed of light is approximately 1.89x10^-50 Petruccis.
-John Petrucci does not own an 8-string, because in his hands it is classified as a weapon of mass destruction.
-Mesa does not make amps for musicians. Mesa makes amps for Petrucci, who selflessly allows us to use them. The amps are free, but we are all required to pay John Petrucci a suckage tax.
-When John Petrucci exercises, the machine gets stronger.
-The strings on his guitar are made of solid diamond. No biggy, he uses harder pics now.
-The only way to kill him is by driving a pointed instrument into the base of his neck, yielding plentiful amounts of his toxic, green blood.
-When John Petrucci hits a high note, you automatically have an orgasm.
-John Petrucci doesn’t wear a watch… he decides what time it is.
-John Petrucci once decided to take his guitar to a local town square and “test his limits”. There were no survivors.
-John Petrucci’s next guitar model is designed to be 10 times heavier with iron wheels on each side.
-Few people know this, but God actually takes lessons with John Petrucci for a half hour on Tuesdays at 5:30.
-John Petrucci doesn’t “wonder” anything. He just eats tabs.
-The San Andreas fault was created when John Petrucci dropped one of his dumbbells. Correction: John Petrucci drops nothing by accident. He lobbed the dumbbell from his backyard and created the Laurentian Abyss. The San Andreas fault? The man simply unfastened his belt. Boom.
-John Petrucci’s children grow at five times the normal rate of human children due to his shredding.
-Chuck Norris got into a fight with John Petrucci. Later, there were guitar strings coming out of Chuck Norris’s ass.
-John Petrucci plays so fast that small animals die during the process. This is due to the inaudible frequencies he is able to create.
-The only reason Rudess gets so much solo time is John Petrucci needs the time to duck backstage and refill his maw with the small chewy animals he rhythmically crunches on.
-If it looks like beef, tastes like beef and smells like beef, but John Petrucci says it’s pork, then it’s fucking pork.
- John Petrucci shredded so fast once that the entire galaxy he had created imploded, out of that implosion came what we now know as Earth.
-When John Petrucci starts shredding, you travel back in time. 1.21 Jigawatts are for pussies.
-26 Matrix panels are needed to keep up with the notes John Petrucci is hitting.
-If John Petrucci worked in CTU, the show would be called 0.00024 seconds.
-John Petrucci once devoured an entire birthday cake before Mike Portnoy could tell him a stripper was inside it.
-Before meeting John Petrucci, the Black Eyed Peas were simply known as The Peas.
-John Petrucci never counts into a song or solo, he simply says “now”.
-In a deleted scene from Chaos in Progress it is reveiled that if John Petrucci wished it, every Dream Theater album would be the most successful album of all time. Each more popular then the last, and would sweep that year’s Grammys. When the rest of the band asked John why he doesn’t make it so, he sternly replied “Because Grammys are for sissys”. Then he ate a knife to show the seriousness of his response.
-John Petrucci actually makes music simply by flexing his muscles. The guitar is just for show.
-John Petrucci uses his man boobs to mute his guitar. No need to angle his wrists differently, not that it would affect his lightning speed picking.
-John Petrucci’s country solos cure cancer, too bad he plays only prog.
-The Death Star wasn’t destroyed by something as random as Luke’s incredible shot at some shaft, it was John Petrucci’s “In the Name of God” solo right in the face of the Admiral.
-John Petrucci’s biceps have perfect pitch, and regularly tests them with a tuning fork.
-John Petrucci doesn’t actually work out: he simply commands his muscles to get bigger.
-John Petrucci walks outside of the Octavarium.
-John Petrucci can see through your eyes and through your words… he pretty much can see through everything.
-John Petrucci is the detective in Nothing Hill who determined it was a murder-suicide.
-John Petrucci could beat the sun in a staring contest.
-John Petrucci’s instructional DVDs are found in the “Action/Adventure” section.
-John Petrucci actually has a signature 9-string guitar, but has decided to not release it until the world is sufficiently prepared for the awesomeness.
-John Petrucci is echo of the universe, played at 240 bpm.
-John Petrucci’s biceps are so large, that Dream Theater had to switch venues at least twice just to fit him on stage.
-Scientists use the “Under a Glass Moon” solo to calibrate their instruments.
-John Petrucci can believe it’s not butter. Why do you think James LaBrie did those commercials?
-Kenny G is still alive because John Petrucci doesn’t hurt women.
-There are no lesbians in the world, only women who haven’t heard the “Hollow Years” LAB solo.
-John Petrucci makes his guitar strings out of Chuck Norris’ beard.
-There are only four horsemen of the apocolypse, because John Petrucci is going to walk.
-The Octavarium is trapped inside John Petrucci.
-The dark master once wrote a black metal epic called “In the Presence of John Petrucci”… he’s dead now.
-John Petrucci once slept with some girl named Victoria. Turns out she cheated on him - she was promptly killled… twice.
-John Petrucci wrote “In the Presence of Enemies” only to describe any given Thursday at his elementary school.
-“The Dark Eternal Night” is autobiographical of John Petrucci.
-John Petrucci crosses the crooked step.
-“The Ministry of Lost Souls” is actually tribute to the many thousands who have willingly sacrificed their lives at John Petrucci’s clinics. “Forsaken” is a warning to those who are not so willing.
-John Petrucci wakes up at 5:59 on a Christmas morning.
-The real reason why Mike Portnoy fainted backstage after the LSFNY show was because he made direct eye contact with John Petrucci.
-Not to be outdone by Jesus walking on water, John Petrucci has taken up fog-climbing.
-When John Petrucci points to the sky during his solos, he’s saying, “Let’s see you play that one God!”
-One time when Dream Theater was touring Germany, John Petrucci asked for more practice space and the Berlin Wall came down.
-John Petrucci’s right bicep is the only part of any human being to be seen from outer space.
-John Petrucci is the reason Kevin Moore went into hiding.
-Global warming isn’t being caused by pollution, it’s caused by the heat radiating off John Petrucci when he works out.
-They had to fade out before the end of the solo in of “Take the Time” because it was deemed a threat to national security.
-John Petrucci invented “killzone mode” as a response to an article he read about overpopulation.
-Angels fall, all for John Petrucci.
-John Petrucci is the 7th, 8th, and 9th degree of inner turbulence.
-When John Petrucci does push-ups, he doesn?t push himself up, he pushes the Earth down.
-John Petrucci’s arms are so massive that they defy physics and are actually forced to exist in an outside dimension.
-John Petrucci has shred at ∞ bpm… twice.
-If you make John Petrucci mad, he’ll punch you in to next week, where his future self will be waiting to punch you back to the present, creating an endless cycle where he beats your ass for all of eternity.
-John Petrucci climbed Mount Everest by way of a walking handstand, hence the huge guns.
-In order to save money on special effects on the remake of King Kong, director Peter Jackson approached John Petrucci for the lead. Petrucci didn’t shave for 3 days and ate several medicore emo-core bands while traipsing across the african jungles to prepair for the role.
-John Petrucci’s DNA has an extra strand. And it’s shaped like a guitar.
-John Petrucci can fart “Purple Haze” note for note.
-John Petrucci is the only person with God on his buddy list.
-If John Petrucci went on Celebrity Love Island, they’d all be pregnant. Including the cameramen.
-John Petrucci can kick your ass in 13/8.
-John Petrucci doesn’t use floss, he uses guitar strings.
-The quickest way to a girl’s heart is with John Petrucci’s fist.
-John Petrucci doesn’t eat his salad with lettuce and dressing. He eats it with scrap metal and the blood of posers.
-John Petrucci actually uses no amplification, he just plays that hard.
-John Petrucci once punched a magician. That?s right. You heard me.
-John Petrucci’s blood smells like cologne.
- John Petrucci once knew a call was a wrong number, even though the person on the other end wouldn’t admit it.
-“The Killing Hand” was John Petrucci’s third grade journal entry.
-In light of a defibrillator recall, medics have been blasting the solo from “As I Am” through a stereo in order to resuscitate the sick. Brian Morelli, who made the suggestion to use the guitar solo, has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
-John Petrucci doesn’t eat honey, he chews bees.
-When John Petrucci was a child, he made his mother finish his vegetables.
-Superman?s only weakness is Kryptonite. John Petrucci laughs at Superman for having a weakness.
-John Petrucci won the Tour de France riding a stationary bike.
-One time, John Petrucci took a dump. It was later named “St. Anger”.
-John Petrucci doesn’t need strings, he simply commands the air to vibrate.[/SPOILER]
:lol:
:lol::lol::lol:
χαχαχαχαχα μερικά είναι πολύ καλά!!!
οτι να ναι :lol:
Ορίστε και η μπάντα με τον Mangini:
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Σε συνεχεια της κουβεντας απο το τοπικ για τον ντραμερ, εχω να σχολιασω μονο τα εξης στα πολυ γρηγορα:
[B]@hokam[/B]: Δεν εχει νοημα να κατσω να σχολιασω ξεχωριστα την καθε σου προταση και να πω με τι συμφωνω και με τι οχι. Γενικα εχουμε πολυ διαφορετικη αντιμετωπιση της μουσικης μαλλον, και οχι απλα των Dream Theater. Οταν ακουω μουσικη, και δη απο τα αγαπημενα μου συγκροτηματα, δεν υπαρχει περιπτωση να κατσω να σκεφτω και να αναλυσω το τι φορμες χρησιμοποιουν, το αν ταιριαζουν οι συγκεκριμενες φωνητικες γραμμες σε καθε τραγουδι ή το αν βρισκω εγω προσωπικα την ταδε φωνητικη γραμμη “ντεμοντε” ή συγχρονη (ουτε καν ξερω τι σημαινει αυτο). Αυτο που ξερω ειναι οτι με αρχη το Scenes From A Memory ο Labrie εχει σταματησει να ουρλιαζει ευτυχως (εστω ελαττωσει, αν θελεις) και οπως ξαναειπα, εμενα προσωπικα δε με εχει ξενερωσει σε [U]κανενα[/U] live απο τα 5 που τον εχω δει. Σε αλλα ηταν καλυτερος, σε αλλα οχι και στην καλυτερη του φορμα, αλλα ουτε κακος.
[B]@Outshined, pantelis79, Mule[/B] : Εκπληκτικοι φυσικα οι DT στο Ροδον, αλλα τους βρηκα καλυτερους το 1998 και το 2000, ισως ακομα και το 2005. Ειμαι ομως φαν των εξωτερικων χωρων, ασε που το Ροδον δεν ειναι για τοσο μεγαλα συγκροτηματα. Παντως το 2007 ηταν μετριοι, κυριως γιατι επαιξαν μονο 45 λεπτα, κι οχι τοσο λογω αποδοσης.
Αναμενουμε τις οδηγιες για σεντονια απο αυριο 
double post γμτ
Γύρω στη μια ώρα κι ένα τέταρτο είχαν παίξει το '07.
Φαντασου, μου φανηκε λες και ξεκινησε και μετα απο λιγο τελειωσε… αν δε δεις 2 ωρες ΤΟΥΛΑΧΙΣΤΟΝ Dream Theater, τι να ευχαριστηθεις…