Stratovarius - Τελος Εποχης

Dear Stratovarius Fans,

It is time to stop the silence and announce what some of you have already been speculating. Stratovarius is no more.

Last October I told the guys that I am stopping the band and told them the reasons why. This letter is addressed to you, Stratovarius fans, who have supported the band for so many years. I first thought that I would write just a very generelized, typical ?music business? statement that basically never says anything. Then I decided that you deserve to hear at least parts of the truth what has been going on behind the scenes so you will be able to understand my decision better.

All the time, since TK and Jörg joined the band, there have been tensions and negativity flying around. This has been concentrating on me, TK and Jörg. The reasons Jari Kainulainen was fired some years back were so absurd that I am not even try to explain them here. If I write a book one day, maybe then. Anyways, I think the seeds were planted already back then, something like 12 years ago. There were many confrontations, Jörg has been complaining to me about TK and TK complaining to me about Jörg. At a times it was a mess, although of course, it never would show outside to the fans. It is not my intention to disrespect TK and Jörg here. They are both fundamentally good guys. Things just sometimes happen and relationships go to directions we don?t want them to go. It?s like a divorce, nobody wants it to happen but sometimes it is best for all so everyone can continue their own lives. Plus I want to tell how things have been behind the curtains. You always only see the good side anyway, you don?t really know what is going on.

We had amazing years, 14 records, 6 world tours with over a thousand shows all across the Globe, 3 gold discs, a Finnish Grammy and almost 3 million records sold. I have arrived to my decision after careful, long and rational thinking of over a year and I know it is the right way for me. I just felt so bad being in Stratovarius. Something was terribly wrong in there and nobody seemed to care.

The countdown really started from the last Stratovarius album in 2005. At that time the atmosphere in the band was extremely weird. I had spent most of 2004 recovering from my nervous breakdown in April 2004 when I was hospitalized. It was at this point when things started to change. Jens supported me immensely during 2004 with his phone calls. We then did that ?Stratovarius? album, which I think is an awful album and went for the subsequent tour production. By that time it was apparent to me that things really were bad. Nobody seemed to care about anything. I had the idea to use projection screens and for that, you need to produce graphics. I planned those and basically the whole show. Nobody seemed to have any interest in it. It was more like, the less the better. The atmosphere at the rehearsals was awful. Lauri Porra who had just joined the band was wondering what is going on with this band. Jörg Michael came straight from Saxon to this tour wearing a Saxon shirt during most of the shows. His attitude for most of the tour was extremely arrogant, pretty much towards everybody. But especially towards me and TK. And TK?s attitude towards me was lukewarm and polite, but I could sense the hostility. Of course we as professionals put on very good shows but it was more craftmanship and rehearsed performance than a great united band playing emotionally from the heart. I think TK was always very bitter about that he could not get his songs and/or lyrics on Strato records. I did not understand this really cause he had/has his solo band where he could do what he wanted. It took me many years to learn to simply tell him that I don?t like his songwriting and lyrics and that the main difference between me and him is that I am writing songs that end up being Strato songs while he is trying to write Strato songs that end up being Kotipelto songs, which means they belong on a Kotipelto record. It is not easy to say to someone that you don?t like his music. You guys and girls dont like all music, neither do I. Neither does TK. I am not anyone to tell what is good and what is bad music, but I do can tell what kind of music I like. And TK?s stuff just doesn?t do it for me. I do have to say that I think he has written many great songs as well during his solo career. Plus he probably would say the same things about my songwriting. We are just very different. He has a very different sense of humor than I have. Maybe the weirdest thing in Strato was that we never really were friends in the band. I visited TK in 12 years perhaps 5 times. To me Jens was the closest in the band and lately Lauri Porra, who is a wonderful guy. But none of use was really ever real friends. It might be surprising to you but that is the truth.

The tour continued and Jörg?s drum roadie told me drunk that Jörg is leaving the band after the tour but he is doing the tour cause ?he is a businessman?. I guess you could say that Jörg?s attitude pretty much culminated what he said to me in Seattle on that tour. He told me that he thinks the band is over. We tried to record, 3rd time, a live DVD in Sao Paulo but could not use the shootings because we played so badly. It was just plain awful. Although we rocked lot of crowds on that 120 date world tour, still the overall vibe was very much like ?going to work?. Not for me though. Not still at that point. But it felt to me that nobody?s heart was in the band and it was just for the money.

The tour came and went, we survived and Jörg didn?t leave the band. But it was the weirdest tour I have ever done. Very succesful, but still it felt like forcing something. It was not fun. It was sad.

The next thing I had in mind was to write a really fresh good old fashioned Power Metal album in the vein of Visions. I felt our fans deserved it and I felt it was the right thing to do. This was the infamous ?RR? album. The songwriting was flowing and the songs sounded really nice and melodic and very much like old Strato. I was all the time on my toes because of the situation in the band and I was anticipating difficult recording sessions. Anyways in late 2006 we completed a demo tape containing 10 brand new songs. I wasn?t too happy about the demo, but it did serve its purpose, to present the songs to the record company. I then booked 12 days from Sonic Pump studio in Helsinki for March 2007. This was the weirdest session I had ever had. Jörg was all the time talking about that we have to get the ?Visions hunger? back, although I don?t think he himself had that hunger. Nobody had. The session was nothing like the recording sessions before. Nobody had rehearsed the songs really and everything sounded pretty awful. I tweaked the drum tracks for a week and gave up. It was around this point when I really was starting to think why am I keeping this alive when it?s so difficult. I remember how much time, energy and money we put to Elements 1. There was nowhere to go after that anymore without just repeating the past. I do know that TK didn?t like that album at all, which yet again shows the difference between him me. It doesn?t mean that he has to like it of course, but to me Elements 1 represents the peak of the Strato evolution and perhaps I should have stopped the band already then.

Last year, 2007, was the turning point for me in many ways. I felt better, but regarding Strato I felt worse. There were fights about everything, even about trivialities, which really annoyed me. A lots of fights. A lot. I had to use a lot of energy to try to get merch to Stratoshop, which was on the shoulders of Jörg and TK, because there was no merch for people to order but still they were ordering cause the items were on the page. The SSL certificate that proves the site is secure was expired a year ago, I tried to get that fixed, could not do it because I wasn?t authorized to do so. The most popular items from the shop were sold out and Jörg refused to print more. I could not understand any of the things that were going on. At the same time, I was having more fun than in years with my rock opera Saana. When I was making that, I realized what was lacking in Strato: the enthusiasm, creativity and fun. It wasn?t like that in years. Saana gave me hope that there still could be something new for me to learn at this age and it gave me a whole new world of things and a start for something new. Plus I knew I had some really cool new Metal songs in the works.

We did have 8 festival shows during 2007 and it was then, when I was standing on stage in Wacken Germany before 45 000 metalheads , when I fully realized that this band is over. I remember clearly playing those same old songs we had played so many times before and a feeling came to me that told me: this band has no soul anymore. I looked around and I felt like I am part of a play that has a script or machine and that there is nothing fresh and exciting happening anymore. The band sounds awful. Nobody?s heart was in it. It was just the same old song. Jörg worked at this point full time in artist production company doing tourmanaging and he was working at Wacken too. He literally came to play from production office and returned there after. Everybody was polite, on the surface, but there was no friendship, all I could sense were the underlying tensions of relatioships that had come to an end. I had felt during that year that the band existed only for one reason and that was the money. I had felt that this was the main motivation what kept Jörg and TK in the band still despite of the underlying tensions. While standing on Wacken stage to my absolute horror, I understood that also for me that had now become a reality. I was keeping this alive for money. It was then when I decided that I must stop the band.

So it was during this show, I decided that it?s over. I was still thinking about everything but I felt that for my future, it was the only logical thing to do. I did not want to fire TK and Jörg because they are and have been as much part of Strato as I have been and it would not be fair to the fans. I then decided that it is best to lay rest what is already dead. I informed guys by email in October 2008 about my decision and explained in detail my reasons hoping they would see my points and agree what is real. Only Jens and Lauri answered. TK and Jörg did not even answer to that mail. Jens understood my decision, Lauri did not. I understand him, he got a taste of what it is to be in a succesful rock band touring the world. It is not easy to give that up. He did fail to see my side of the story. That TK and Jörg did not comment anything really speaks for itself. I did want to finish the Stratovarius saga with style and naive as I am, in February 2008 I wrote a mail to the band and proposed that we would say goodbye to our fans with style and do one more tour. I won?t go into details here, but this time I did get a response from TK and Jörg. I wished them well and wrote back that I can see there cannot be any more tours with this band because of the hostile reactions… So that was that. I felt good about my decision, but not good that out of legal reasons I have had to wait for this announcement for so long.

Then I thought that since I have all these great songs in my hands, I wanna put these out somehow. So I contacted a few friends, we laid the basic tracks in the same place where the Strato RR session had taken place a year ago and it was just flowing. There was happiness. There was energy. The songs sounded great. My friends Michael Kiske and Tobias Sammet agreed to sing on the album. I decided to form a new band called ?REVOLUTION RENAISSANCE? which would continue the legacy of Stratovarius. In this first album I just wanted to release these songs finally so I did not have time to search for a permanent line up. I am now, so if you are interested, drop me a mail! The album comes out 6.6.2008 through Frontiers Records.

I am excited and happy?for the first time in years. I can hardly wait what the destiny has in store for me with my new band, projects, songwriting. I am living a very creative times. I have my production company and I am doing lots of different projects and not only metal but basically anything that moves me.

First I would like to, despite of all, thank Jörg, TK, Jens, Jari, Lauri, Tuomo, Antti and Jyrki for these 22 years. It was a quite a ride. I wish Jens, TK, Jörg and Lauri the very best with whatever they decide to do in their life and success with it.

Last but most importantly, I want to thank you Stratovarius fans for your love and support and for the great life. We will be seeing each other in some ways, somewhere. You will always remain in my heart.

              With Love, Timo 


οχι ρε πουστη:( :frowning: :frowning:

Καιρός ήταν…

Επιτέλους ο Tolkki αποφάσισε α σταματάει να βαράει το ψόφιο άλογο και να δώσει τέλος.
Η μπάντα κατά τη γνώμη μου έπρεπε να διαλυθεί μετά το Infinite, την τελευταία κάπως αξιόλογη δουλειά. Τι κατάφεραν με το να διατηρούν το όνομα Stratovarius ταριχευμένο; Γίνανε δημοσίως ρεζίλι (με τα ευτράπελα του 2004), βγαλανε 3 αλμπουμ που κυμένονται από μέτρια ως απαράδεκτα, βγάλανε μερικά λεφτά παραπάνω και φτάσανε να μη μιλιούντε τη σημερον ημέρα… σκατα.
Το καλύτερο νέο που άκουσα τελευταία…

Edit. Ψωφάω να μάθω τους πραγματικούς λόγους της απόλυσης (και όχι παραίτησης όπως είχε ανακοινωθεί το 2005) του Jari Kainlainen!

Καλα για τη κατασταση των τελευταιων χρονων συμφωνω απολυτως,αλλα η διαλυση μιας τετοιας μπαντας μονο καλο νεο δεν ειναι…

Συμφωνώ με pumpkin. Πραγματικά κρίμα, τεράστια μπάντα:(

Υπήρξα μεγάλος φαν των Strats.
Το κακό είχε παραγίνει. Κατάντησαν κάτι πανέμορφο σε ανέκδοτο.
Ο Tolkki και o Kotipelto φαίνονται κάθε χρόνο και πιο ανούσιοι και πιο άγευστοι, ιδιαίτερα με τις τελευταίες solo δουλειές τους.

Anyway, θεωρώ τα 2 Elements πανέμορφα album, δεν ξεχνώ ποτέ την εφηβική μου τρέλα για το Dreamspace, το Against The Wind, την λατρεία για το Episode (και το αγαπημένο μου Strat τραγούδι Seasons Of Change) ή το ορόσημο του ευρωπαϊκού metal που λέγεται Visions. Ευτυχώς, ήμουν εκεί και έζησα το μεγαλείο αυτής της εποχής στα μέσα των 90’s. Όσο και αν τα μουσικά μου γούστα αποκλίνουν όλο και περισσότερο.

O Tollki δεν είναι και ο πιο ευτυχισμένος ανθρωπος. Μια προσεκτική ακρόαση/αναγνωση του προσωπικού του δίκου Hymn To Life λέει πολλα.

Where have all the years gone?

O mainman των ηγετών του power metal STRATOVARIUS, Timo Tolkki, αποκάλυψε στο περιοδικό Soundi ότι σχημάτισε ένα καινούριο συγκρότημα, τους REVOLUTION RENAISSANCE (που απ’ ότι πιστεύεται ήταν ο τίτλος του καινούριου δίσκου που ετοίμαζαν οι Φιλανδοί). Το ντεμπούτο του συγκροτήματος που θα έχει συμμετοχές από τους Michael Kiske (HELLOWEEN), Pasi Rantanen (THUNDERSTONE), Mirka Rantanen (THUNDERSTONE), Pasi Heikkila (45 DEGREE WOMAN), Tobias Sammet (EDGUY) θα κυκλοφορήσει αυτό το καλοκαίρι από τη Frontiers Records

Από avopolis

Ενδιαφέρον ακούγεται, we’ll see…

Είμαι πολύ περίεργος να δω κατά πόσο την παλεύει τελικά ο Tolkki. Είναι τρελός και αυτό είναι το μόνο που με κρατά αισιόδοξο. Εξάλλου η τρέλα είναι θετικό στοιχείο για έναν καλλιτέχνη

Αυτός ο Kiske όλο δε θέλει το metal, και όλο σε metal συγκροτήματα κάνει συμμετοχές


Μα αυτό είναι και το αστείο της υπόθεσης. Και δεν έχει κάνει και κάποια δήλωση να πεις ότι αναθεώρησε.

Μωρέ αυτό που λέει ο pumpkin ισχύει. Είναι προφανές.
Το θέμα είναι ότι από καποια στιγμή και μετά καταντάει γραφικός

Αντε και με το reunion tour σε 3-4 χρονακια…

έλα ρε… αν και ποτέ δεν ήμουν φαν τους ( για να το διατυπώσω όσο πιο ευγενικά μπορώ :stuck_out_tongue: ), “έζησα” την γενιά των Στρατοβάριους και όλο το αντίκτυπο που είχαν στα 90’ς και ποτέ δεν θα ξεχάσω τα ατελείωτα πειράγματα που έκανα σε έναν φίλο μου που τους λάτρευε κλπ κλπ. Αναμενόμενο πάντως, αν αναλογιστείς ότι ένα LP τους από τα τελευταία τους ακουγόταν συμπαθητικό στα αυτιά μου, και κάπως έτσι είχα βγάλει το συμπέρασμα ότι θα αποτελούσε μεγάλη απογοήτευση στους οπαδούς. Όταν γυρίσω σπίτι θα βάλω ένα κομμάτι από τον μοναδικό δίσκο τους που ( κρυφό -) άκουγα παλιά, το Break The Ice από το Twilight Time, έτσι για πάρτυ τους!

Respect σε ένα μεγάλο συγκρότημα που (σχεδόν) ποτέ δεν άντεξα να ακούσω!!!

Οπαδός του power δεν είμαι, το αντίθετο μάλιστα, όμως είχα κολλήσει κι εγώ στην εφηβία μου με Stratovarius και μάλιστα ακόμα θα ακουστεί που και που κάνα άλμπουμ τους από τα ηχεία μου. Νομίζω θα βάλω το Visions ευθής αμέσως, έτσι για φόρο τιμής…R.I.P.

R.I.P. :frowning:

Ρε γαμωτο… Ξερω, το ειχαν κουρασει το πραγμα, η μουσικη τους πλεον δεν ειχε καμια σχεση με τιω κομματαρες που εβγαζαν το '90 αλλα οπως κ να χει οι stratovarius ειναι (ηταν) σπουδαιο συγκροτημα… προσωπικα εχω αλλο δεσιμο με τους strato. Ηταν το 1ο συγκροτημα που ακουσα κ με εκανε να αχοληθω/αγαπησω/κολλησω με το μεταλ… κριμα…

“Never give up, never give in, stronger than steel we’re the legions of the twilight…”

Καταθλιπτικος ο αποχαιρετισμος αλλα λυτρωτικος κατ εμε:Oi Stratovarius εμοιαζαν με ασθενη σε κωμα που εμενε στη ζωη με μηχανικη υποστηριξη τα τελευταια χρονια
Ειναι πολυ λυπηρο να εχεις διsκαρες μνημεια οπως dreamspace,4th dimension,episode,infinite,visions,destiny
και να καταληγεις με ενα εξαναγκαστικο stratovarius…τρελοφιλανδοι :smiley:
Απο την αλλη κακα τα ψεμματα ολοι δουλευανε για τον ΤΤ αλλα και πως να μην δουλευουν οταν το ατομο εγραφε απιστευτες συνθεσεις…τοτε
Ελπιζω αν και δε το νομιζω το καινουριο του album (οχι το saana που ειναι εκτρωμα) να με στειλει οπως με εστελνε το kiss of judas με το γαμηστερο σολο (ποσο καιρο το παλευα να το παιξω το #@!%&*)…

P.S Ανηκω στους φανατικους fans εκεινης της περιοδου των Strat και γω…:frowning:

Απλα, να υπενθυμισω οτι οι Stratovarius ειναι η μπαντα που (μαζι με ελαχιστους αλλους) επηρεασε το πως ακουγεται σημερα το ευρωπαικο μελωδικο μεταλ. Η μπαντα που ΕΣΠΡΩΞΕ την φινλανδικη σκηνη εξω απο την αφανεια και αποτελεσε σημειο αναφορας για μπαντες οπως οι Nightwish και τοσοι αλλοι.

Επισης, ειναι η μπαντα η οποια αγαπηθηκε οσο λιγες απο το ελληνικο μεταλ κοινο απο την πρωιμη περιοδο τους… Ποιος δεν θυμαται την απιστευτη επιτυχια αλμπουμς οπως το dreamspace εδω… Η την συναυλια στο ροδον το '97 (μια απο τις μεγαλυτερες στιγμες που περασε το συγκεκριμενο μερος)… Το visions of europe που ηχογραφηθηκε τοτε… Τον χαμο οταν ειχε βγει το Episode…

Οι Stratovarius (ανεξαρτητα απο το τι λενε οι πολεμιοι τους) αποτελουν μερος της ιστοριας του metal και μια απο τις μεγαλυτερες metal μπαντες που μας χαρισαν τα '90s…

Δεν θα τους ξεχασουμε ποτε…

Timo, Jari, Timo, Jens, Jorg (αλλα και Tuomo και Antti πριν το’95)… ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥΜΕ !


Kρίμα αλλά κατά την γνώμη μου ήταν αναμενόμενο… Και πολύ το αργήσανε αν σκεφτούμε τα πόσα άσχημα συνέβησαν τα τελευταία χρόνια.

πραγματικα κριμα…:frowning: :frowning: οταν ειχα ακουσει πρωτη φορα το visions ειχα τρελαθει…χαιρομαι τουλαχιστον που προλαβα να τους δω εστω και μια φορα λαιβ…:slight_smile:

Η μπάντα αυτή σημάδεψε τα σχολικά κι εφηβικά μου χρόνια, πάντα θα έχει μια θέση μέσα μου, για τις επιροές τους και τα albums του τα είπαν οι περισσότεροι. Το σχόλιο για το reunion tour σε μερικά χρόνια μπορεί να είναι κυνικό, αλλά κι εγώ αυτο πιστεύω ότι θα συμβεί. Ούτε οι πρώτοι ούτε οι τελευταίοι θα είναι…